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April 07, 2008
Don't Believe Kay's Folktale About Jeter & Torre
During the bottom of the 3rd inning in yesterday's game, on the YES broadcast, Michael Kay went into a story about how Derek Jeter, in his rookie season, was thrown out trying to steal third (against the White Sox) when there were no outs in the inning. As Kay tells the story, Jeter went right up to Joe Torre on the Yankees bench, immediatley after the mistake, and sat down next to him - rather than avoid any possible lecture about not making the first or third out at third base during an inning. (As Kay tells the story, Torre told Jeter to "Get outta here" because Jeter didn't need to be reminded that it was a bonehead play.)
In his "Big Book Of Baseball Legends," Rob Neyer noted that Kay also told this story during a YES broadcast on June 13, 2007.
However, as Neyer notes:
"Jeter was caught stealing seven times in his rookie season. Once was at third base: August 12 against the White Sox. However, it was the third out of the inning - not the first - so Jeter couldn't have sat down next to Torre (at least not right away) because he had to immediately grab his glove and play shortstop."
Maybe Jeter went to Torre during the top of the 9th or 10th innings of that game? And, because it's a much better story, Kay makes it out to be like Jeter did it right after he was caught stealing. It's possible.
Actually, in the 10th inning, Jeter was on-deck when the final out was made. So, he probably only had a small window to make it happen in that frame - if it happened at all. And, the 9th inning for the Yankees in this contest was quick too - three up, three down. If Derek did it then, it probably had to be quick as well.
There's a good chance that this story never happened at all, in reality.
Update, 4/7/08, 1:00 pm ET: Thanks to reader "christopher" for some links (in the comments below) that indicate Jeter went to Torre in the next half-inning (during the 9th). It appears this story does have some legs! (Sorry Michael!)
Posted by Steve Lombardi at April 7, 2008 11:43 AM
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http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2001/04/30/301967/index.htm
~~"It's 1996," remembers Torre. "He's a rookie. He's at second base against the White Sox in Chicago, we're in the top of the eighth inning, we're losing by a run. Now, there's an unwritten rule in baseball that you never make the first or last out at third base. [There are two outs], and Cecil Fielder's the hitter--one of our big boppers--and all of a sudden I see Jeter taking off for third. It's a bad play if you're out. And he gets thrown out....So I'm throwing clipboards and all that, which is very uncharacteristic of me, because I don't want to watch myself on ESPN for a week on end throwing shit in the dugout....[So] I said to Zimmer, sitting next to me, 'I'm not going to talk to him about this until tomorrow, because I don't want to rattle him today.'"
When Jeter returned to the bench at the end of the inning, however, he wedged himself directly between Torre and Zimmer. "He just sat there as if to say, 'Have at it,'" says Torre. "I didn't even criticize him. All I did was hit him in the back of the head and say, 'Get the hell out of here.' Because I knew he knew that he screwed up."~~
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=1969362
~~Jeter made one as a rookie in 1996. He was caught stealing, the dreaded third out at third base. Manager Joe Torre was livid about such a rookie mistake. A half inning later, after playing in the field, Jeter came in the dugout and sat right next to Torre on the bench. Without saying a word, Jeter was telling his manager "here I am, I screwed up, let me have it, I'm accountable.'' Torre looked at him, laughed and said "get the hell out of here.''~~
Posted by: christopher
at April 7, 2008 12:33 PM
Great work, Christopher, finding that. That is my one issue with Neyer's book. He debunks a lot of the stories because they didnt happen exactly as they were told. However, the basic core of many of the stories likely did happen, but cannot be found in the statistical record because the details are off. This is a prime example.
Posted by: Moshe Mandel
at April 7, 2008 01:04 PM
so if this story is semi-correct, is there any way we can just have Michael Kay apologize to the listeners in general about his awful, everyday broadcasting?
Posted by: TurnTwo
at April 7, 2008 01:26 PM
so if this story is semi-correct, is there any way we can just have Michael Kay apologize to the listeners in general about his awful, everyday broadcasting?
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Comment of the year.
Counting both online and fans I've met, I would say about 95 percent of the people who watch the games literally hate Michael Kay. It's too bad we have to suffer through him and someone in the front office doesn't take note and get rid of him. I was told once that Big Stein didn't like him, either. Hopefully Hal listens to a few games, finds out what Kay is doing to his network, and dumps him immediately.
Posted by: baileywalk
at April 7, 2008 01:48 PM
Counting both online and fans I've met, I would say about 95 percent of the people who watch the games literally hate Michael Kay.
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It's one of the most surprising things about the Yankees - a classic franchise with arguably the worst team of radio and television broadcasters in the business. Most teams have one set that are better than the other and you can choose between radio and TV. But if you're a Yankee fan, you have to decide between Michael Kay or Sterling/Waldman. Ugh. How can a $200M operation put up with D-rate broadcasters?
Posted by: MJ
at April 7, 2008 04:35 PM
Count me among the 95%, although I don't actually hate Kay, I just think he should go back to what he does best, i.e., reporting.
Sterling/Waldman, however, are just "flat out" (Waldman now perseverates on that phrase like a savant) unlistenable.
btw, Kay seems to be well versed about all things Yankee on the net. I have to believe that he reads most Yankee blogs, unlike Sterling/Waldman, who probably refer to the net as the interweb, or perhaps just as tubes.
