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Take it how you want, but I was watching his eyes too and saw the same thing. But it's funny, after I watched it I kind of felt worse about him than I did before. I think it was the poor editing (common to these shows). But now the more I think about it, the more I feel that he was telling the truth. Who knows?

For what it's worth, I read someone's feelings who "claimed" to be an expert on body language, and they said that he was telling the truth except during the Andy Pettitte question.

Also, and maybe I'm reading too much into this, but his statement regarding where is the person that gave him the steroids was good. Granted, that person might be disinclined to admit to it since they would be breaking the law, but considering the name involved, there is a lot of money to be made in selling that story.

The pointless and ridiculous hearings in front of the Senate will nonetheless be interesting.

To me, his eye movements seemed to indicate that he couldn't maintain eye contact when he was being um, less then candid.

but his statement regarding where is the person that gave him the steroids was good.

You really think clemens would buy steroids using the name roger clemens? Did you really say that? That makes about as much sense as clemens saying his body hasn't changed.

If the public is that stupid then roger should have no problem swaying opinion.

Clemens would have used a rep to buy the steroids. Much like he used McNamee to inject him w/ whatever. If everything was on the up and up, why didn't he use a doctor for the B-12 and lidocaine (don't you need an RX for that?).

I also didn't like how he expressed his "disappointment" in his supposed friend, Andy Pettitte.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/5432752.html

Clemens files defamation suit against his ex-trainer
Ex-Astros pitcher's attorney says McNamee 'has ruined Roger's reputation with a large percentage of the public'

By MARY FLOOD and DAVID BARRON
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

In a defamation lawsuit filed Sunday night, Roger Clemens claims Brian McNamee, his longtime trainer and chief accuser of steroid abuse, was threatened with jail if he didn't connect the pitcher to steroids.

The lawsuit was filed electronically with the Harris County civil courts Sunday evening just before CBS locally aired Clemens' interview on 60 Minutes.

"I don't know if I'll ever get the naysayers back. I don't know what I'm going to get. Maybe some of my name back," a frustrated Clemens said Sunday. Clemens said this lawsuit will not keep him from testifying before Congress, which he plans to do without asking for immunity or invoking any rights.

The former Houston Astro is being called to testify about McNamee's allegations that the trainer injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormones between 1998 and 2001.

The lawsuit doesn't request a specific dollar amount and Clemens' Houston lawyer, Rusty Hardin, said they filed the suit not to get money, but to clear Clemens' name and discover how the allegations against Clemens came about.

Hardin said they want to learn exactly what was done and not done by federal agents and other investigators who helped U.S. Sen. George Mitchell implicate Clemens in a report on steroid use for Major League Baseball.

"This has ruined Roger's reputation with a large percentage of the public," said Hardin.

"All of McNamee's accusations are false and defamatory per se," the lawsuit states. "They are not true, and they injured Clemens' reputation and exposed him to public hatred, contempt, ridicule, and financial injury. McNamee made the allegations with actual malice, knowing they were false."

Clemens' lawsuit also asks a Texas court to declare that he has not defamed McNamee. McNamee's New York lawyers have threatened to sue Clemens for defamation, depending what Clemens said on 60 Minutes.

Hardin said Clemens, following the advice of his lawyer, agents and others, waited almost a month since the Mitchell Report was made public to sue McNamee.

"We kept thinking McNamee might change his mind and come to his senses and admit he was lying," Hardin said. But, Hardin said, instead McNamee arranged to talk to Clemens Friday and, rather than getting back to Clemens as promised, their conversation was leaked "with spin" to Newsday.

The lawsuit first details all the McNamee allegations in the Mitchell Report. The lawsuit said a link between steroids and Clemens' success "is untrue and maliciously ignores Clemens' consistent record-setting performances before and after" the years McNamee alleges the wrongdoing.

Met in 1998
In the suit, the careers of Clemens and McNamee are chronicled, including that they met in 1998 and "discovered a shared intensity for grueling, military-style workouts." It lists Clemens' formidable litany of successes before and after the McNamee allegations.

Hardin said the idea is to assess the history and credibility of both Clemens and McNamee. Clemens' suit does not favor McNamee, of course.

The lawsuit notes that McNamee was a suspect, but never charged, in an alleged date rape in Florida in 2001. The New York Times has mentioned the accusation and McNamee's lawyer, Earl Ward, noted no charges were filed. A Florida prosecutor concluded there was insufficient evidence. The lawsuit and the New York paper state that the Florida investigation led to McNamee's termination from the Yankees as a trainer.

The lawsuit also includes a quote from a conversation Hardin's private investigators had with McNamee after the Mitchell Report was made public. The lengthy McNamee quote indicates he was persuaded to talk about Clemens after a federal prosecutor and agent threatened him.

According to the lawsuit, McNamee told Hardin's investigators a federal prosecutor and federal agent talked about how he already had two strikes against him for possessing and delivering steroids and could get a third — lying to a federal agent — and go to jail. He said it was soon after that he was asked "So what about Clemens?"

'Trying to defend my name'
McNamee is quoted as saying a federal agent said since McNamee trained Clemens, he should know that the pitcher was taking steroids. McNamee said a piece of paper was thrown at him and then the prosecutor spoke: "He goes, 'We know about (sic) more about you than you know about yourself.' He goes, 'You're going to jail.' My attorney just sat there. And they said 'Let's go back to when you first met Clemens in '98.' "

The lawsuit alleges McNamee said that after he said he injected Clemens with steroids, McNamee "magically" became a witness instead of a target in a criminal federal drug investigation that preceded the Mitchell Report.

The suit further states McNamee was threatened with being prosecuted if he didn't repeat his story to the Mitchell Commission in a "cold war era interrogation" where the trainer was asked to agree after a federal agent read his previous statements.

Hardin said Clemens has taken the advice of his lawyer and others in working to clear his name. He said the lawsuit doesn't accuse Mitchell or Major League Baseball because there isn't information to show anyone but McNamee defamed Clemens.

"We don't know what McNamee told (Mitchell). We don't know what vetting he did," Hardin said.

Clemens said he was reluctant to file the lawsuit and has been unhappy with this entire episode.

"I'm going to shell out millions trying to defend my name," said Clemens.

Clemens mentioned a 2006 Los Angeles Times story that falsely connected him with steroids but has since been shown to have been based on a legal document that didn't mention the pitcher at all.

"When you see the people who are absolutely trashing me and my name and my family, like I said, after a year with the LA Times, at the end of the day I got an apology. Maybe I'll get that again. Maybe I'll get an apology that 'I'm sorry about the lies. I'm sorry that we did what we did,' " Clemens said.

"You really think clemens would buy steroids using the name roger clemens? Did you really say that? That makes about as much sense as clemens saying his body hasn't changed."

Well, gee, every other moron baseball player has done it that way, including by check. Every steroid investigation I've seen has the individual buying them from the source. I grant that some players are smarter than that, but the way I took Clemens response was somebody would have to have given those steroids to Clemens down the line whether he bought them directly or not, so where is that person?

And if you look at his baseball cards, his body didn't change in the time frame he's being accused. It really hasn't changed, other than getting a little fatter, since the early 90s.

To the poster who suggested Clemens would have used a rep to but the steroids, well, then where's the rep? Why doesn't he come forward?

I also think it is believable that Clemens wouldn't have known about Pettitte because it took place only two times over 10 days in Florida. The amazing thing to me is that in spite of allegedly taking all kinds of steroids over a four year period, there is no corroborating evidence to support McNamee's claims. When you consider McNamee's past (an accused rapist, recorded liar and steroid pusher) along side his clear motive for lying, it's amazing that Mitchell, and so many others, believe him.

60 minutes is notorious for pulling this kind of stunt.... They send one camera for an interview like we saw last night. First they interview the questioner...then yell cut, then, move the camera (sometimes to show the back of the questioners head in the frame) to get the response (sometimes to a slightly different question!!!). There is absolutley no way to know that we were watching Clemens as he was actually reacting to a question as it was being asked. In fact, assume that the reactions you watched were not coincident with the questions as you heard them. 60 minutes has been called on this before..they call it "editing".

Overall I think Clemens did pretty well. I'll be interested to see if Andy has anything to say.

"To the poster who suggested Clemens would have used a rep to but the steroids, well, then where's the rep? Why doesn't he come forward?"
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Because he didn't get caught by Mitchell.

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"there is no corroborating evidence to support McNamee's claims."
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Yes there is. The Mets clubhouse guy admitting selling the stuff to McNamee. And more damning is Andy Pettitte acknowledging the truth of McNamee's claims.