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In terms of trade packages, what do the Yankees give up for Bedard or Haren? I certainly wouldn't give up Hughes for either of those guys.

Good question. Nomaas has an interesting, if not provocative, analysis of Horne. Seems like his ceiling IS Dan Haren, so I wouldn't give up much more than that (though I'm sure Beane will be looking for much, much more).

Bedard doesn't thrill me.

I don't want to trade Hughes either but if I had to trade him, I'd rather do it in a deal that doesn't cost prospects plus $150M.

It's almost impossible for the Yankees to do major deals with Baltimore.

I don't want to overpay for Haren either.

Why can't we just be patient, if necessary, for a season? The long-term rewards will be well worth the wait.

Rich, I think the problem with being too patient is that we have a relatively old core on offense. With A-Rod arguably at the end of his prime, and Jeter, Damon, Matsui, there is a pressure to go for the win now.

Why should anyone, including Minnesota, expect the Yankees to adhere to a Monday deadline? It seems to me the only thing the new management team has "stuck to their guns" about was not budging on Torre.

Top 3 pitching prospects are untouchable. Oops

Won't negotiate with Arod if he opts out. Oops

It makes sense not to cut off your nose to spite your face but when they come out with these proclamations and then break them within days it makes me wonder why I should believe them.

Do you think the price for Haren is going to be less than Santana in terms of players? I don't. Haren should come cheaper but there'll be more teams involved and Oakland doesn't need to move him.

Nick, Damon and Matsui are not significant enough to matter (one could be traded this offseason), and given that they will be paying A-Rod and Jeter long after many people who are alive today are dead, they might as well be patient.

IMO, trying to win now is a prescription for never winning.

If Dan Haren or Erik Bedard are available, the Yankees can then start to focus on them
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why are we going after this pair? I'd rather have hughes or kennedy then these guys. I can understand trading them for a possible all-time pitcher, but I don't think haren or bedard will be all-time pitchers.

i'm fine with standing pat. shore up the pen and try to get Andy back.

most of the hitters may be declining, but you really cant say the window is only X years. there's Cano and Melky, and always guys in the pipeline, FA and trade market. gardner, ajax, tabata, montero, etc. Tex, Miggy, Andruw, etc.

There's an interesting new wrinkle to this: Santana has apparently told the Twins he won't allow a mid-season trade. So the Twins either deal him or lose him after next year. I think this works best for the Red Sox, really, because the Twins might be forced to take their lesser offer (assuming the Yankees walk away).

It's hard to know what's really going on because we only get secondhand information from reporters. I would love to know what the discussions between Beane and Cashman have been. No one has really mentioned yet what Beane wants for Haren. If Beane wants Kennedy, Horne/Tabata, and some lesser guys, I would make that deal. As I said before, I think Haren/Hughes trumps Santana/Kennedy.

I wish the Yanks would play the Sox like they always play us and act as though they are willing to expand their offer, get the Sox to commit Ellsbury and Lester, and then watch as they have to sign a near-30 pitcher to a 150-million-dollar contract. If they can do that and get Haren without giving up Hughes, I'll almost start to believe in God.

According to Kepner, Beane wants Hughes and Kennedy for Haren, but I'm pretty sure that's merely an opening gambit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/sports/baseball/03yankees.html?ref=sports

"...The Oakland Athletics want Hughes and Kennedy for their All-Star starter, Dan Haren, an idea the Yankees would reject."

Not a smart move by the Yankees here. Johan has made it clear he will pitch for only us or them. If we are out of it, then the Minny Bostonians will be forced to take Crisp, Lowrie, and a 6 pack from them, or possible an even lesser deal if there is such a thing.

I 'm not the biggest fan of Santana going to either the Yanks or the Sox for talent.If the Yanks drop out,then in all likelihood he will be a Red Sox pitcher next year with a 6 ERA in Fenway,spotty playoff record and spotty against the Yanks in the playoffs.I can't wait to see Theo and Lucchino eat crow and pay him 23.235 million a year with a NoTrade AND have to redo Beckett's deal for a gazillion dollars a year!It will be easier to swallow when Manram's salary is out next year,but not if Santana bombs!
The Yanks playing hardball with the Twins is simply idiotic and some of Hanks bigmouthed comments are too!The Twins are not Arod and the Twins also saw the Yank's actions in the Arod debacle as well.In essence,no means yes to the Yankees.The Yanks are more in the driver's seat with Pettite coming back BUT if the brass does this they open the door for Santana to be traded for Crisp and some B prospects!Or better yet the Twins will hold on to Santana!

Hey butchie, you are an idiot... unless you meant 0 ERA for Santana in Fenway. And it's Mr. Steinbrenner to you.

Hey butchie, you are an idiot... unless you meant 0 ERA for Santana in Fenway. And it's Mr. Steinbrenner to you.Quote
First,it's Butch to you not Butchie and I will call you Hank if I want to:)!BTW,It seems that you're the idiot because this year Santana had a 6.89 ERA at Fenway!That's closer to seven!Get your facts straight before you do ad hominem attacks,mate.

I expect to see Yankee fans act as if all of their prospects' shit don't stink while young Red Sox talent sucks big time, but what am I really sick of is the incredibly stupid assertions that Beckett is some ego-driven money grubber who would never tolerate having Santana on the staff making so much more than he does.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Beckett signed a below-market deal in the middle of 2006 AND HAS MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, EVEN AS THE MARKET FOR PITCHING EXPLODED LAST OFF-SEASON, THAT HE IS COMPLETELY FINE WITH IT.

His answer to questions about his salary has always been:

Look, by the time I'm 30 I will have earned 40 million dollars in baseball. That is more than enough.

So kindly cut the crap about Beckett "demanding" a new deal if Santana signs with the Sox. Sounds like the same a-hole Yankee fans who declared last year that Dice-K's contract perks would piss off the rest of the clubhouse. It didn't happen, and if you've forgotten, they won a World Series.

Again.

I expect to see Yankee fans act as if all of their prospects' shit don't stink while young Red Sox talent sucks big time, but what am I really sick of is the incredibly stupid assertions that Beckett is some ego-driven money grubber who would never tolerate having Santana on the staff making so much more than he does.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Beckett signed a below-market deal in the middle of 2006 AND HAS MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, EVEN AS THE MARKET FOR PITCHING EXPLODED LAST OFF-SEASON, THAT HE IS COMPLETELY FINE WITH IT.

His answer to questions about his salary has always been:

Look, by the time I'm 30 I will have earned 40 million dollars in baseball. That is more than enough.

So kindly cut the crap about Beckett "demanding" a new deal if Santana signs with the Sox. Sounds like the same a-hole Yankee fans who declared last year that Dice-K's contract perks would piss off the rest of the clubhouse. It didn't happen, and if you've forgotten, they won a World Series.Quote
Dan,what has been reported in the NY media is different from what you are saying.Get your facts straight!Dude,I can get the Red Sox Radio network down here AND I have heard WEEI.Remember how Pedro was the worst diva of all time?When he came here,we found out otherwise.Manny being Manny?I've heard people on NY sportsradio say that he has a great work ethic,but you wouldn't know that from listening to Bob Ryan.BTW,I've given Theo credit even though he signed Lugo AND Nancy Drew...so what they won this year!Dan always remember that New England is uniformly Red Sox territory and judging from some of the reportage it reflects a monolithic perspective.

I expect to see Yankee fans act as if all of their prospects' shit don't stink while young Red Sox talent sucks big time, but what am I really sick of is the incredibly stupid assertions that Beckett is some ego-driven money grubber who would never tolerate having Santana on the staff making so much more than he does.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Beckett signed a below-market deal in the middle of 2006 AND HAS MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, EVEN AS THE MARKET FOR PITCHING EXPLODED LAST OFF-SEASON, THAT HE IS COMPLETELY FINE WITH IT.

His answer to questions about his salary has always been:

Look, by the time I'm 30 I will have earned 40 million dollars in baseball. That is more than enough.

So kindly cut the crap about Beckett "demanding" a new deal if Santana signs with the Sox. Sounds like the same a-hole Yankee fans who declared last year that Dice-K's contract perks would piss off the rest of the clubhouse. It didn't happen, and if you've forgotten, they won a World Series.