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November 09, 2007
It's Funny That This Is Not Mentioned More Often These Days...
I was just reading the great Chad Jennings Interview that "Mike A." did for River Avenue Blues and this part really caught my attention:
Let’s go from one guy who may have to settle for being a reserve to another. All we heard about Alberto Gonzalez after the Randy Johnson trade was how great he is defensively. Is he really that good? Is there any one play of his that really stands out to you?
CJ: He is absolutely that good. My eyes were opened in spring training when a hard-hit grounder bounced off the third baseman (Baldiris) and shot into the air. Gonzalez grabbed it out of the air with his bare hand and fired to first for an out. One of the best plays I’ve ever seen. During the year, he went behind second base one time, all the way to the first base side of the bag, to make an outstanding play. I also remember him charging a ball behind the pitcher for an impossible out. He’s just outstanding. And his bat was much improved after his demotion to Double-A. He makes all the routine plays — I believe he only had nine or 10 errors — and he makes the dazzling, did-you-see-that plays. If he can hit, at all, he’ll be a nice player, at least in a utility role.
This is not the first time that we've heard about Alberto being world-class with the leather. And, two months ago, Brian Cashman spoke about how Gonzalez has come along with his bat.
Is there any chance that the Yankees would consider playing Alberto Gonzalez at short next season - for the love of glove and just let him hit whatever he hits - and have Derek Jeter slide over to third base (to replace Alex Rodriguez)?
At the least, why isn't this option at least discussed these days - rather than just assume the answer to third base does not involve Jeter?
General Joe knows that Jeter's glove is lacking at short. Back in April, during the YES broadcast of a Yanks game, Girardi once said something along the lines of "Every player has a hole in his game. And, in Derek Jeter's case it's that he doesn't go to his left very well."
If Gonzalez is indeed a wonder-maker in the field, the difference between him and Jeter could be 60 batted balls that are turned into outs that are going for hits now (over the course of a season). Sixty outs is huge - that's like pitching back-to-back shutouts.
Or, is it just a matter of the Yankees never moving Jeter off short until he says it's time and he wants to move? If that's true, what does that say about Jeter and about the Yankees management?
Posted by Steve Lombardi at November 9, 2007 01:00 PM
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The Yanks would surely have to spin that to make it look like it was Jeter's idea. I dont know how amiable Jeter would be to moving off of short but its going to have to happen at some point. On the other hand if he wasnt going to move for A-rod would he move for someone with lesser talent?
Posted by: Rich M
at November 9, 2007 02:03 PM
Do you really think it's viable to have a great fielding shortstop -- which is no guarantee -- who will hit .210 with no power? Gonzalez hasn't yet shown the ability he's a starter in the big leagues. I know fielding is important, but you have to bring something offensively to the table. You can't simply be a black hole. Making Gonzalez the starting shortstop for this team would be the height of lunacy, if you stop and think about it.
I don't have any problem with Jeter considering a move off short -- and yes, I think it's HIS choice; it's not like he hasn't earned the right to resist the move -- but doing so for a guy who can't outhit Miguel Cairo? Nah...
Posted by: baileywalk
at November 9, 2007 02:47 PM
A big part of the reason why Jeter is so valuable - aside from his amazingly consistent offensive production year-to-year, is the fact that he plays in a position that is not known for its offense. So Jeter at short, providing excellent offense, despite horrendous (at times) defense is far, far better than Jeter at third, providing sub-par (for a third baseman) offensive production, and also playing horrendous defense. If Jeter can't go to his left, why should he play third base, where you really only go to your left? Also, third base is a much more 'instinctual' position, seeing as how batted balls travel there faster. Jeter has horrible instincts, defensively. He would be an absolute disaster at third base.
Jeter makes the most sense in center. He certainly has the speed, and the fact that he's one of the best in the game on 'going back on pop-ups' should certainly lend itself to playing outfield. His offensive stats are also definitely above-average for a centerfielder.
If Alberto Gonzalez could indeed provide slightly below-average offensive production (for a shortstop), and indeed can play near-Everettian defense, then it makes sense for the Yankees. But he still has shown zero major league potential with the bat. Until that shows up, it's a no-go.
Posted by: Andrew
at November 9, 2007 02:51 PM
~~If Jeter can't go to his left, why should he play third base, where you really only go to your left?~~
At third, it's about reactions, not range. You don't need the range of a SS to play 3B. If a ball is 7 feet to your left, at 3B, it's probably by you before you know it - as you're playing in. At SS, where you play deeper, it's where range to your left and right matters more.
I have no fears about Jeter's ability to play 3B. He charges balls well and has a strong arm - he would do a decent job at 3B, IMHO.
Posted by: Steve Lombardi
at November 9, 2007 02:55 PM
~~~So Jeter at short, providing excellent offense, despite horrendous (at times) defense is far, far better than Jeter at third, providing sub-par (for a third baseman) offensive production~~~
AMERICAN LEAGUE
RCAA - 2007 - 3B
Leaders RCAA
1 Alex Rodriguez 83
2 Mike Lowell 23
3 Chone Figgins 18
4 Troy Glaus 13
5 Akinori Iwamura 11
6 Hank Blalock 9
7 Adrian Beltre 4
8 Joe Inglett 3
T9 Jack Hannahan 2
T9 Tommy Watkins 2
T9 Maicer Izturis 2
Jeter is usually good for 25 RCAA per season. If he played 3B, he would be one of the 3 best offensive 3B in the league - compared to the guys that played there last year.
Posted by: Steve Lombardi
at November 9, 2007 02:59 PM
Assuming the Yankees can't get a top bat to play 1B or 3B next year, it makes more sense to go for defense at SS than at 3B. Playing Jeter at third and Gonzales at short is better for the team than Jeter staying at short and the Yankees trading for Joe Crede, for example. If the possible thirdbasemen for the Yankees gets to the point where we're saying that their defense makes up for their lack of offense, then it makes more sense to promote Gonzalez.
But, like so many things, it's an idea that makes a lot of sense but will never happen. Jeter's ego is still too great to move from the spot he's held for eleven seasons. Look at how long it took Ripken to admit he was a liability at shortstop. Of course, if Jeter really was the demigod team-player the media wants to be, he would have already suggested the move...
Posted by: mehmattski
at November 9, 2007 03:49 PM
http://www.nyyfans.com/article/8790/
Posted by: Flaxseed Oil Salesman
at November 9, 2007 03:58 PM
You're right, Steve, on the offense. Jeter would provide above-average offense, even for third base. He just has no power anymore.
About the defense though, that's exactly why Jeter would not be good at third. The reason, I think anyway, he has no range to his left is because he has little natural instinct to go to his left. He's not exactly great at going to his right either. Sure, he's good at charging ground balls - because he plays shallow - but otherwise he may as well be a statue at third. Every ball that he would have to reach for would go by him.
Posted by: Andrew
at November 9, 2007 04:00 PM
Hey, Flaxseed - thanks for the shout out on that link. Always appreciated!
Posted by: Steve Lombardi
at November 9, 2007 04:09 PM
But, like so many things, it's an idea that makes a lot of sense but will never happen. Jeter's ego is still too great to move from the spot he's held for eleven seasons. Look at how long it took Ripken to admit he was a liability at shortstop. Of course, if Jeter really was the demigod team-player the media wants to be, he would have already suggested the move...Quote
Yeah,that was a good call.But if it has to be done for the good of the team then so be it.Jeter's ego is very big,but the Yankees front office will to win is great too.
