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September 18, 2007
No Rules For Joba In October?
I'm worried about the Yankees bullpen in the post-season this year.
Mo Rivera is solid and will be fine. But, from there, you have Joba Chamberlain who can't pitch in back-to-back games and Luis Vizcaino who has shoulder woes.
After Mo, Joba and Viz, you have Farnsworth who cannot be trusted.
The rest of the pen is from the group of Chris Britton, Brian Bruney, Sean Henn, Edwar Ramirez, and Ron Villone. As a Yankees fan, are you going to feel good about seeing any of these guys in a post-season game?
Further, maybe you could put Phil Hughes or Ian Kennedy in the pen for October - but, those two sometimes have problems in their first inning of work.
Basically, the Yankees are going to need their starters to go 6+ innings in each start - and Torre is going to have to really pick his spots with Joba - if the team is going to have a hope this post-season. Either that, or, you're going to need a Villone or Ramirez or Bruney to pitch over his head in October.
Or, you could just say "Screw the Joba Rules" and use the kid as much as possible. Given all the choices/hopes, that may be the way to go.
Posted by Steve Lombardi at September 18, 2007 11:53 AM
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Or, you could just say "Screw the Joba Rules" and use the kid as much as possible. Given all the choices/hopes, that may be the way to go.
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I doubt it. If Torre didn't start Wang on short rest last year, I don't think he'll deviate from the "Joba Rules."
As for the rest of the pen guys, they just need to put a hot run together. Graeme Lloyd and David Weathers come to mind as guys who performed poorly in the regular season to do well in the postseason...
Posted by: Raf
at September 18, 2007 12:27 PM
I'm comfortable with Edwar. More comfortable with him than Farnsworth.
I don't think he needs to pitch over his head. His stuff is otherworldly when he's on.
I don't believe the Yankees are going to let Joba pitching back-to-back days stand in the way of a post-season win. And, with all the days off in the post-season, I think Joba will be able to be used a lot. Like I pointed out before, when Hughes was in the AA playoffs last year, they took the restrictions off of him. This is now the MLB playoffs. Letting Torre run Joba into the ground for the last month-plus of the season would have been stupid and dangerous. But pitching on consecutive days for the short duration of the playoffs? Why not?
I know this is from a game long gone, but it's good to see the Yanks having Joba throw his curveball. His slider hasn't been as sharp in his last few appearances, and people have been hitting his fastball (he got hit hard in K.C. and Lowell whacked one on him).
Posted by: baileywalk
at September 18, 2007 12:32 PM
~~~I'm comfortable with Edwar. ~~~
Why? Since he's been recalled, he's pitched in 13 games - throwing 16 IP, allowing 21 baserunners (including 4 homers). He's been hot and cold - and really cold when cold. I can't trust that in October
Posted by: Steve Lombardi
at September 18, 2007 12:42 PM
~The rest of the pen is from the group of Chris Britton, Brian Bruney, Sean Henn, Edwar Ramirez, and Ron Villone. As a Yankees fan, are you going to feel good about seeing any of these guys in a post-season game?~
Edwar is the best option out of those names, but I think we'll see Hughes and Kennedy (or maybe even Pettitte or Clemens in relief) before we see any of those guys pitch in a big spot.
Posted by: christopher
at September 18, 2007 01:29 PM
Besides Mo, Viz and Joba, the whole pen is a disaster. I am just as nervous with Farns, Bruney, Villone, and Henn as I would be with Ohlendorf, Edwar, or any other rookie coming out of it.
Henn in my opinion should be dfa'd and released. He is absolutely worthless. Ohlendorf's mom is higher on the depth chart than Henn. Villone isn't much better.
But everyone else in there is pretty much the same, when they're hot, they're good, when they're cold, they're horrible. I don't see much in the way of options other than Hughes and Kennedy in there. It's like asking what do I use to put out this forest fire? A cup of water or a cup of tea?
Posted by: sunny615
at September 18, 2007 01:32 PM
I don't think Steve is thinking about this correctly. The postseason roster contains 25 players, and I seriously doubt the Yankees go with a 12-man pitching rotation for the playoffs. Think more like 10, or 11. Here is my projected roster, based on what I think the Yankees SHOULD do at this point in time:
SP:
Wang
Pettitte
Clemens
Mussina
SP/RP
Hughes
Kennedy
RP:
Rivera
Chamberlain
Vizcaino
Farnsworth
Ramirez
C:
Posada
Molina
IF:
Mientkiewicz
Giambi
Cano
Jeter
Rodriguez
Betemit
OF:
Matsui
Abreu
Damon
Cabrera
Duncan
That leaves room for one more reliever or one more position player. Who will it be, someone like Karstens, or Bruney? Or another utility guy like Alberto Gonzalez? Or a 6th outfielder like Sardinha?
Honestly, I think it should be Ohlendorf. He's shown some excellent stuff in the majors, and offers a different 'look' out of the bullpen with his sinker. But that's just me. If it were a choice between all the guys listen above sans Ohlendorf, I would hope they'd go with Gonzalez as a pinch-runner/emergency defensive replacement.
But to think the Yankees are going to go into the postseason with junk like Bruney, or Henn, or Villone is lunacy. Well, maybe not Villone. Ugh.
Either way, the Yankees will most certainly not be going to those guys if the starters get knocked out early. That's what Hughes and Kennedy are for, since you only need 4 starters in the postseason. The only way guys like Edwar or Farnsworth get used is in a severe blowout either way. I actually really like the Yankee bullpen for the playoffs.
Posted by: Andrew
at September 18, 2007 03:05 PM
Villone has thrown once in the last month. He's a none factor. FWIW, I just posted my suggested post-season roster.
Posted by: Steve Lombardi
at September 18, 2007 03:28 PM
