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July 08, 2007

New Player To Join The Yankees?

From the YES Network site -

Manager Joe Torre indicated the Yankees may return from the All-Star break on Thursday with one less reliever and one more player "who may "give ourselves a little more flexibility.''

Torre said the position player isn't apt to be an outfielder because the team is currently using an outfielder as its designated hitter (Damon) and has an extra outfielder (Kevin Thompson) on the bench.

The manager added a trade or signing could determine who that player might be.

That sounds exciting. Then, I saw this in the Ventura County Star -

With Jason Giambi and Doug Mientkiewicz on the disabled list and Shea Hillenbrand still officially Angels property for two more days, the Yankees' need for a first baseman was obvious even before Cairo — a middle infielder by design, a utility man by trade and a first baseman only out of necessity — made three of their five errors, including two on the game's deciding play. Cairo has made four errors in the first two games of this series.

Based on the timing, it sounds like that player added could be Hillenbrand.


Please, Shea it ain't so.

Posted by Steve Lombardi at July 8, 2007 08:32 PM


Phillips has played really well so far, so obviously Hillenbrand needs to come in and take away his playing time. I'm not excited about this move at all.

Posted by: JeremyM [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 8, 2007 10:10 PM

the yankees.com website disagrees...


Torre said that he'll talk with general manager Brian Cashman during the All-Star break about adding another Triple-A position player to the Yankees' bench in exchange for a reliever.

Torre said he isn't sure if the team will make the move prior to the Yankees' first game after the Midsummer Classic -- on Thursday against the Devil Rays in St. Petersburg -- or give it more time.

"We'll decide if we'll open the second half that way or sit on it a day or so," Torre said. "But, yes, we would like to get us some more flexibility on the bench.

"We already have an extra outfielder on the bench and we have one DHing, so a swing guy would probably help us. The type of guy we had here before, with [Chris] Basak -- whether it's him or not -- remains to be seen."

this should be your hearts at ease.

Posted by: Corey [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 9, 2007 12:11 AM

i know he's no 'swingman', but maybe Shelley Duncan finally gets the call at 1b/DH. fyi, he's 2nd in the IL in OPS (.943).

Posted by: Travis G. [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 9, 2007 12:26 AM

Why add another 1 dimensional player to the 25 man. Add Basak. At the very least, he can play the 3 non-1B infield positions and be a pinch runner who can go 1st to 3rd, 2nd to home on a single and steal a base. Shelley Duncan would have had his day in the sun if this team didn't already have a roster full of DH's.

Posted by: j [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 9, 2007 12:42 AM

Torre won't use anyone that they call up anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Andrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 9, 2007 08:04 AM

~~~Torre won't use anyone that they call up anyway, so it doesn't matter.~~~

I had to laugh when I read that. Not laughing at you Andrew, just the point you were making and how it doesn't matter if it's in baseball or life in the "real" world. Last week I was going through the normal review process at work, I started questioning my manager on why a major project was given to this one person in our group. When we've hired two qualified people that are better than this other person and more qualified to run it better than this other person because I've seen his work, and it's awful. Think Terrence Long bad. But this one person has 10+ years at the same place. Her answer was simply, he's a veteran.

Now, that isn't the first time I've heard that statement made - and she didn't say it using those words, I was just cutting through the fat. The point is that "The Veteran Theory/Logic" is much more commonplace than people seem to take into account.

Does that make Torre any different than any of the rest of us or even our managers? That is, with his thinking of trusting Veterans more. This is more of a philosophical question than questioning who is right or wrong for the position and basing a decision solely on merits.

Posted by: Garcia [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 9, 2007 10:10 AM

Does that make Torre any different than any of the rest of us or even our managers?
Of course not. Of course, it doesn't make it any more right. FWIW, I've seen the same thing happen in my limited experience in the corporate world.

Whether a bad decision could be justified, it doesn't change the fact it was a bad decision.

Posted by: Raf [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 9, 2007 11:17 AM

~~~Whether a bad decision could be justified, it doesn't change the fact it was a bad decision.~~~

We agree 100% there, but the grander point I was trying to make is that the decision making process is never easy when you have veterans. Managers of people, doesn't matter if they are baseball managers or a manager at your nearby deli, there decision making process will always be greatly influenced by the people that have done that type of work before and for a certain length of time.

I guess that is my fundamental point, why is it so easy for us to expect a baseball manager to make better decisions than any one of us? When in fact, if faced with the same situation at work (albeit not swinging a bat or throwing a baseball), most of us will put more trust in the veteran guy than the guy who is younger but more inexperienced but is perfectly capable of doing the job too.

Again, the question was more about human thinking versus justifying the decision. It is hard to justify.

Posted by: Garcia [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 9, 2007 01:12 PM