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May 02, 2007
Pavano's Career Over?
From Dom Amore -
The Pavano news is bad. He had been throwing on the side, and got up on the mound on Sunday, but though the team kept saying he was getting better, he didn't seem so optimistic. He is going to see Dr. James Andrews in Alabama and may, in fact, need Tommy John surgery, which would finish him for this season and probably next season,too, possibly ending is career.
"It's getting ridiculous, the team needs me," Pavano said. "It's frustrating for all of us."
Torre defended Pavano, who has had a long string of injuries and started only twice since June 2005, against the long-held perception that he does not want to pitch. "I have a hard time dealing with the [perception] that he doesn't want to do this," Torre said. "It's a lot harder not to pitch than to pitch. I don't think he's enjoyed what's happened the last two years."
Well, you can't fake the need for Tommy John surgery...if that's what it comes down to, for Carl. So, if true, it will be hard to get on him for this one.
OK, the Yankees have Wang, Pettitte and Mussina. And, they have, gulp, Igawa. They still need a fifth starter for this season - assuming that Pavano is done. Jeff Karstens and Humberto Sanchez are cooked. Given the injury to Phil Hughes, and the expectation that Hughes could be out until July, who does that leave?
Darrell Rasner, Matt DeSalvo, Chase Wright, Tyler Clippard, Steven Jackson, Ross Ohlendorf and Ron Villone.
Wright already had a shot and I doubt it will be Villone. That leaves Rasner, DeSalvo, Clippard, Jackson, and Ohlendorf.
One of these five may get a nice chance to show something. Hopefully, one of them is up for the challenge. The Yankees need the help.
Posted by Steve Lombardi at May 2, 2007 10:25 PM
Comments
Why can't Wright get another shot?
I'd probably put my $$ on Rasner, if he could get his blister issue solved.
Pickle brine anyone? :)
Posted by: Raf
at May 2, 2007 11:06 PM
Maybe he needs to start peeing on his hands a la Alou and Posada? Whatever it takes. I don't know what to think of Pavano, but obviously he's one of the worst free agent signings of all time. What a disaster.
Posted by: JeremyM
at May 2, 2007 11:13 PM
"He" is Rasner by the way, not a real good post from me....
Posted by: JeremyM
at May 2, 2007 11:16 PM
Roger Clemens. Steve, I know you're not in favor of this move but I don't see the harm in giving a hired gun a 3-4 month contract. He fills a need, he's a gamer, and he certainly won't give you anything less than 110%. The Yanks need starters and he's certainly that (and more).
As for Pavano, I don't even know what to say. Why on earth Cashman targeted this guy, I'll never understand. Yes, I realize that many teams were hot for him but that doesn't make it any more logical. The man's been injury-prone his entire career. None of us should be surprised at what's going on here. It is SO time to pay him to be gone from NY so that the black cloud can be lifted.
Posted by: MJ
at May 2, 2007 11:27 PM
Look, if the Yankees can stay in it and sign Clemens, this is what their rotation will look like post-all star break:
Clemens
Wang
Pettitte
Mussina
Hughes
Don't tell me that doesn't bring a smile to your face.
Posted by: Andrew
at May 2, 2007 11:42 PM
Of the guys mentioned, Tyler Clippard is the best of the bunch. By far. He's not Phil Hughes good, but he will be solid (especially for a four-five starter). Clippard gets downgraded by a lot of people because he doesn't have a blazing fastball like Phil, but his strikeout numbers have been terrific his entire minor-league career, and his changeup is incredible.
Rasner is definitely the most polished.
I think Rasner is probably the safe bet right now, and I do like him, but does anyone else get a kind of "blah" feel about him? I think it would just be better to take the risk and use T-Clip until Hughes gets back.
And with all due respect to my friend MJ, I'm not really in favor of bringing in Clemens. I just worry about how effective he would be. Would he really be worth the money in the AL? What if he comes back and gets bombed? What if he ends up just being a five-inning pitcher?
It seems like a big risk.
Posted by: baileywalk
at May 2, 2007 11:48 PM
By the way, how accurate is Dom Amore? I went to his blog to read the entire article, and it seems more speculative than anything else about the TJ surgery. No one else made that leap when mentioning that Pavano was going to see Dr. Andrews. I think Amore is simply thinking a visit to Dr. Andrews = TJS.
He also says Matt DeSalvo is a lefty, so maybe we should wait for official news of this...
Posted by: baileywalk
at May 3, 2007 12:27 AM
Oh my, a season without Pavano, how will the Yankees deal with that??
Looks like Clippard is starting to figure AAA out, Check out his last two starts, so he is becoming more of a viable option. My money is still on Rasner, he hasn't been too bad during his time up with the club.
I agree with bailey, in that I'm not a big Clemens fan. At most your gonna get 5-6 innings a game out of him, and come late September, and October he is going to be broken down again.
I think that the Yanks will get healthy, with Mussina, Wang, Pettitte, Igawa, and then Hughes/Rasner/Clippard/DeSalvo/Karstens making up the difference. But as much as some people are getting on Cashman for this stuff, his building of the farm system will give the Yanks a chance to make a trade, and not even give up all the best prospects. I'm not a big fan of his attitude, but Carlos Zambrano, might become available in about a month or two for the right deal. Dontrelle Willis is the other name always floating around, so maybe the Yanks can swing a deal for either of those guys without giving up Hughes, or Tabata.
Posted by: dpk875
at May 3, 2007 03:19 AM
Hey Steve -
Do you feel a tiny bit bad now after ending your last post with?
"Now, if it was only this easy to get rid of Pavano too..."
Posted by: Mike
at May 3, 2007 08:04 AM
The Indians, it is widely reported, have to make decisions reagrding the long term status of Travis Hafner and C.C. Sabathia after '08.
They apparently lean toward signing Hafner first.
Sabbathia would be a better deal than Dontrelle or Clemens. I would move some top minor league talent and then some for him.
Posted by: Santino53
at May 3, 2007 08:24 AM
Santino, Sabathia smells like a Bartolo Colon situation: Perpetually out of shape with concurrent wear and tear (DL stints) when as he ages.
SL: I'm willing to give Igawa one more "benefit of the doubt" start after last Saturday's excellent effort. No gulping yet.
Posted by: Jason O.
at May 3, 2007 09:20 AM
Pavano needs to GO see Dr. Andrews, GO get surgery and GO away. He's GUTLESS and does not deserve to be on this team. I'm tired of looking at him on the bench and I'm sure his teammates are tired of all of this as well. Banish him to Tampa.
Posted by: Mike
at May 3, 2007 09:39 AM
At the rate our pitchers are going down, I think that whole list will get a shot.
Posted by: rbj
at May 3, 2007 09:41 AM
I think Clippard may have sniffed that hed get a shot, last night 7 IP 11K. Either DeSalvo or Clippard would probably serve as a solid #4 or #5. We cant have another injury this is really getting rediculous
Posted by: Kyle
at May 3, 2007 11:11 AM
He's GUTLESS and does not deserve to be on this team.
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No offense, Mike, but as Steve said, you can't fake the need for Tommy John surgery. He pitched this year and then go hurt -- if it's TJS, then it was serious. Everyone questions this guy, but they can't simply understand that his body won't allow him to pitch. Needing TJS doesn't make him gutless -- it makes him injury-prone.
Do you think Mike Hampton is gutless? Was Kevin Brown gutless? Is Ben Sheets gutless? What about Prior and Wood?
These guys aren't gutless -- their bodies just can't take pitching every five days. That's the way it goes.
Posted by: baileywalk
at May 3, 2007 11:33 AM
So Pavano's career may be over, and in other news the sun rose in the east and will be setting in the west today.
Looks like things are getting back to normal in Yankee land. I can't remember the time-line all too well, but when the Yanks finally realized that Pavano wasn't going to pitch last year wasn't that when they started running away with the division? Didn't it work out that way in 2005 too? Again, I can't remember the time-line all too well, but I have this eerie feeling that once Pavano says he won't be back then the Yanks start to win.
Maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but I sure hope that's true and the Yanks start winning at a .630+ clip.
Posted by: Garcia
at May 3, 2007 11:35 AM
He's GUTLESS and does not deserve to be on this team
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Was he gutless when he pitched with cracked ribs?
Posted by: Raf
at May 3, 2007 02:10 PM
Pavano has been much better than the Yankees ever had any right to expect. His Yankees career has been a big success, BY HIS OWN STANDARDS, and, if his career was over, it turns into an excellent signing.
Let's say that his 2007 season is over and he's also out for 2008. It would mean that, from 2001-08 almost every one of the best years of his career were with the Yankees--
His 2001-08 career, in order of seasons from best to worst--
1) 2003 Marlins 27 RSAA
T2) 2006 Yankees 0 RSAA
T2) 2008 Yankees 0 RSAA
4) 2007 Yankees -1 RSAA
5) 2005 Yankees -3 RSAA
6) 2001 Expos -8 RSAA
7) 2002 MON/FLO -17 RSAA
He's had more success with the Yankees than we had any right to expect.
Posted by: Lee Sinins
at May 3, 2007 02:49 PM
Lee, I really wish you would post here more.
