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January 26, 2007

The Farns For Lieber?

Via BaseballMusings.com, I noticed that The Good Phight suggests a Yankees-Phils trade:

Lieber to the Yankees for RP Kyle Farnsworth

Everybody admires the Yankees' newfound willingness to go with unproven kids at the back of their rotation, but nobody really believes that Joe Torre will start the season with some combination of Kei Igawa, Jeff Karstens, and Philip Hughes in the back of his rotation. (No, I don't see Carl Pavano having a role here; he'll likely strain his glaven in the second week of March, and spend the next six months rehabbing.) Lieber has pitched well for Torre in the past, and with Scott Proctor and newly acquired Luis Vizcaino on hand, Farnsworth is expendable for the Yanks.

Three weeks ago, I suggested that the Yankees should look at Lieber. And, we know that Torre doesn't like Farnsworth's baby-me routine...

Could this suggested trade happen? Considering the issues with the back end of the Yankees rotation, and the depth now in the Yanks pen, it at least makes sense to consider it.

Posted by Steve Lombardi at January 26, 2007 12:49 PM

Comments

Lieber is proven mediocrity. In the AL, he's a #4 RHP at best, which is precisely what the Yanks don't need at the moment.

Farnsworth can, at times, can be virtually unhittable. No, he's not a "horse" in the pen, which is what Torre prefers; but, with all the new additions to the pen, Farns won't have to go multiple innings or pitch on consecutive days this year.

But I agree with you, Steve, about Torre's needing a confort zone and his penchant for playing past prime vets when a younger version - with greater upside - is available.

Posted by: brockdc [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 01:19 PM

The Yanks don't need a known # 4 SP now?

Posted by: Steve Lombardi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 01:22 PM

Lieber was not very good last year. And at 37 switching to the AL East won't help his numbers. In 168 Innings he gave up 27 HRs and 196 hits. (Though he did walk only 24). I'd rather keep Farns (and limit his appearences) and give some of the young guys a chance. And at $8 Million it is just not worth it.

Posted by: dave [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 01:47 PM

~~~In 168 Innings he gave up 27 HRs and 196 hits.~~~

In that ballpark, this ain't terrible.

Posted by: Steve Lombardi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 01:54 PM

The Yankees have at least 3 players already on their roster who can give them exactly what Lieber can.

And, didn't Lieber completely suck last season? He had an ERA+ of 93 on an NL team. Not to mention, he didn't throw all that many innings.

Not to mention, that Farnsworth's potential from season to season is significantly greater than that of Lieber's.

Posted by: Jeteupthemiddle [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 01:59 PM

~~~The Yankees have at least 3 players already on their roster who can give them exactly what Lieber can.~~~

Name them.

Posted by: Steve Lombardi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 02:07 PM

Hughes, Sanchez, Rasner

Posted by: Jeteupthemiddle [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 02:27 PM

I would rather go with one of the kids than Leiber. Honestly, how much better is Leiber than Rasner?

Plus, I think that the Yankees probably could get more for Farnsworth than Leiber. Farnsworth is a bit of a bargain as a closer for a mediocre team.

Posted by: jonm [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 02:36 PM

~~~Hughes, Sanchez, Rasner~~~

What are the major league records of those 3 to date?

Posted by: Steve Lombardi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 03:08 PM

Why do they need major league records to know that they can post at least a 93 ERA+?

Not to mention Lieber, unlike Hughes, Sanchez, and Rasner combined, will make $7.5M in 2007.

Posted by: Jeteupthemiddle [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 03:11 PM

What are the major league records of those 3 to date?
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Well, Rasner in limited trials has posted 108 & 99 ERA+

As for Lieber's 2006, H/R splits

HR: 15/12
Hits: 106/90
OPS: .799/.785
IP: 90.1/77.2

Posted by: Raf [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 03:23 PM

~~~Why do they need major league records to know that they can post at least a 93 ERA+?~~~

How do you know they can do that without the experience/results to prove it?

Posted by: Steve Lombardi [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 05:09 PM

Lieber is not the answer. From Rasner, Karstens, Sanchez, Ohlendorf, Clippard, White, Jackson and in July, maybe Hughes, they should find what ever is needed. Pavano is going to get every chance in the world to prove himself, even if it takes a cattle prod to get him to the mound.

Also, I think if they need it, they will get Clemens.

Posted by: dave [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 06:01 PM

Leiber is a waste. The Yankees don't need any more mediocre pitching. There are greater chances that Hughes or Sanchez will succeed far beyond what Leiber will be able to do in Pinstripes. Proctor is also available. And the Yankees could make a trade for someone if needed. Noticed that you mentioned Farnsworth leaving... I don't see that happening any time in the beginning of the season. The Yankees first need to prove that Proctor can repeat last year and Vizcaino can be effective (remember his stint with the White Sox?) Yankees should be on the lookout for a number 3 guy to place in the 5 spot because thats what Bostons rotation is looking like. Pavano/Igawa can take the #4.

Posted by: Russell [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 06:45 PM

Leiber is a waste. The Yankees don't need any more mediocre pitching. There are greater chances that Hughes or Sanchez will succeed far beyond what Leiber will be able to do in Pinstripes. Proctor is also available. And the Yankees could make a trade for someone if needed. Noticed that you mentioned Farnsworth leaving... I don't see that happening any time in the beginning of the season. The Yankees first need to prove that Proctor can repeat last year and Vizcaino can be effective (remember his stint with the White Sox?) Yankees should be on the lookout for a number 3 guy to place in the 5 spot because thats what Bostons rotation is looking like. Pavano/Igawa can take the #4. Clemens is also not a surefire thing and I won't even comment on him until the season starts... he was all set to go to Boston last season, will Pettitte, his available number, and a flexible schedule be enough for him to change his mind?

Posted by: Russell [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 26, 2007 06:46 PM