« October 3rd vs. The Tigers | Main | ALDS 2006 - Game 2 Key »
October 04, 2006
It's Never Going To Stop
I was listening to Mike & Mike on ESPN Radio this morning on my way to work.
The Yankees won. The Cards won. The A's won. There were stories to be told about each game, for sure. But, what did I hear from almost an hour this morning?
A-Rod versus Jeter - who would you rather have, the numbers guy or the clutch player? Blah, blah, blah. A-Rod is Peyton Manning and Jeter is Tom Brady. Blah, blah, blah. A-Rod is Dan Marino and Jeter is Joe Montana. Blah, blah, blah.........
As long as these two guys play for the Yankees, and until A-Rod has that huge moment in the post-season, or until Jeter flops in a huge spot (in a bad way), it's always going to be "A-Rod versus Jeter" in the media, etc.
And, what are the odds, at this stage, of A-Rod having that moment or Jeter having that flop?
Posted by Steve Lombardi at October 4, 2006 10:56 AM
Comments
Steve - You were an active participant in this ARod frenzy, does it really matter if it's comparing him to Jeter or just going off on him? It's still the same thing, they like taking jabs at ARod any which way they can. The best would be if ARod goes 5 - 5 today and to see the difference in the media coverage.
Posted by: Garcia
at October 4, 2006 11:48 AM
meh...
"who would you rather have?" what difference does it make, we have both! :)
Even if Rodriguez has a postseason for the ages, there's still going to be an argument that he couldn't have done it without Jeter, or what would you expect for $252M, or well, Jeter has more rings, or whatever particular angle anyone wants to take on any particular day. It's Jeter's team, and there hasn't been any doubt about it. Never was any doubt about it.
As I've said before, enjoy the both of them while they're here; we have the opportunity to watch two great players, there's no need to "pit" one of them against the other.
It's never going to stop, it hasn't stopped since Rodriguez was traded here. It stopped briefly when Rodriguez won the MVP, but that was probably because the runner up was a Red Sox.
They've played 3 years together, this is the first time that Jeter has had a better offensive season than Rodriguez. Rodriguez did better in the postseason in 2004, not so in 2005. Too early to tell this year.
What does it mean? It means the media doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. That aside it doesn't mean a thing. They're teammates, and they're not hurting the team, the organization, themselves.
Enjoy the fact that we have two of the greats manning the left side of our infield. Any other take is just stirring the pot, making noise, and causing trouble.
Posted by: Raf
at October 4, 2006 12:02 PM
I'd prefer to measure/judge A-Rod against his own production rather than compare him to Jeter.
You either produce in the frameset or you don't. It doesn't matter what the other guy does.
That said, the story of the game last night, and the story of baseball yesterday, should have zero to do with A-Rod.
That was my intended point. Why are we talking about A-Rod this AM in the media?
It makes no sense.
Posted by: Steve Lombardi
at October 4, 2006 12:02 PM
It makes no sense.
=====
The NY media makes no sense...
Posted by: Raf
at October 4, 2006 12:23 PM
The NY media makes no sense...
===
In the Daily News yesterday, one of the sidebar headlines in the playoff previews section read:
"Sixth Incense: A-Rod not pleased with place in lineup" by Anthony McCarron
I went through that article and not one point in any of A-Rod's comments or even Anthony's make reference to A-Rod being upset about the change in the line-up...
The NY media even tries to make stuff up... the NY media makes no sense in more ways than one...
Posted by: B(rent)
at October 4, 2006 12:28 PM
I think the reason for the discussion is just to show that players such as Jeter don't always prove their worth in the statistics and also that they thrive in the biggest situations...basically would you rather have player "A" in their sport who comes up in big situations...or player "B" who puts up huge numbers but doesn't win or come through in big situations...so the question would be is player "A" in fact more talented then player "B" because player "A" performs better when needed the most....for instance Brady vs Manning...and perhaps would should celebrate more of the player "A" types then the player "B" types...plus I still think the story here is Jeter and people praising him...like my father says "I don't care who you give me...I'll take Jeter any day"
Posted by: antone
at October 4, 2006 12:37 PM
Steve, you're commenting/complaining that the media is spending too much time on an Arod-related story you think is ridiculous?
Is this the classic pot calling the kettle black?
You reap what you sow.
Posted by: RICH
at October 4, 2006 02:12 PM
I think the reason for the discussion is just to show that players such as Jeter don't always prove their worth in the statistics and also that they thrive in the biggest situations..
==========
Derek Jeter
Career (BA-OBP-SLG)
.317 - .388 - .463
Career postseason
.307 - .379 - .463
Whatever intangibles a player brings to the table, if they mean anything, will show up in the statistics. The more playoff games a player plays, the closer they will get to their career numbers.
What's great about baseball, is "regression towards the mean." The long season allows for it. Remember that awful start Jeter had a few years back? At the end of the season, his numbers were in line with his career numbers.
Posted by: Raf
at October 4, 2006 02:12 PM
~~~Steve, you're commenting/complaining that the media is spending too much time on an Arod-related story you think is ridiculous?
Is this the classic pot calling the kettle black?
You reap what you sow.~~~
When I've commented on A-Rod in the past, IMHO, it was not on stories that were ridiculous.
Of course, you would probably disagree.
Posted by: Steve Lombardi
at October 4, 2006 02:35 PM
BTW, if A-Rod makes an error behind Moose tonight, and if Mussina melts as a result, am I allowed to write about it?
J/K
Posted by: Steve Lombardi
at October 4, 2006 04:56 PM
AAAARGH!!! You can't write this stuff...it's like you're jinxing it into happening!
Posted by: MJ
at October 4, 2006 05:09 PM
Raf,
If you're right, A-Rod is in for one hell of a post season......sooner or later.
I think what drives this discussion is the, now ten year-long drum beat from the media that "A-Rod is the best player in baseball." I think A-Rod, to his discredit, put a lot of stock in these comments. He's a hell of a player (who had an off trend season in '06). But, those of us that have watched Jeter over the same span have said, "Wait a minute, our guy doesn match A-Rods stats, but look how he makes his team win and watch him lead by example on every play." Putting the two of them side by side only made it more glaring, and A-Rod got reduced a bit in the comparison. Individual stats are for the history books, I want the winner on my squad. That said, I want A-Rod there too. Trading him for anyone other than Santana, Oswalt or that first baseman from St. Louis would be nuts.
Posted by: #15
at October 5, 2006 07:47 AM
Raf,
If you're right, A-Rod is in for one hell of a post season......sooner or later.
==========
Alex Rodriguez
Career (BA-OBP-SLG)
.305 - .386 - .573
Career Postseason
.305 - .393 - .534
Jeter has had a season's worth of AB's in the postseason (400+), Rodriguez has had about maybe a couple of months worth (100+). I suspect the more games he plays, the closer he will trend towards his career numbers.
