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July 06, 2006

So Long Chacon?

From the Daily News (with a hat tip to Count the Ringsā„¢) -

It appears unlikely that Shawn Chacon will make his scheduled start Sunday, but that could be the least of his concerns. With Chacon failing to show any of the magic he had last season, his time with the Yankees could be coming to an end.

But it is not just Chacon's performances that have been discussed. Sources indicated that his attitude has also become an issue, particularly as it relates to how often he's been used and how much patience Torre has shown him during his outings. There are also questions about his work ethic. One source said the Yankees have become so irked with Chacon that he's "not in their plans" for the future.

Maybe Chacon is partying too hard?

Meanwhile, one of the kids that the Yankees traded for Chacon, Ramon Ramirez, is dealing now for the Rockies. Based on what he's done so far this year, Ramirez has future closer written all over him.

Can Cashman blame this on Victor Hu?

I would say "no" - as I doubt it was Hu who (is that redundant?) suggested to trade Ramon Ramirez.

Based on all this, I think the Yankees have to try and trade Chacon rather than let him walk for nothing. Maybe they can get lucky with a prospect (from someone)?

Posted by Steve Lombardi at July 6, 2006 01:12 PM

Comments

About Ramirez, I've been keeping tabs on him for a while now - he's def. done very well so far this year and though I wish him success, I can't help but be reminded of Yhency Brazoban who had the same kind of success his first year in the bigs as well (and Brazoban had better minor league numbers before being traded)
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/yhency-brazoban.shtml

Posted by: James Varghese [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 01:34 PM

I always take the "sources said" stuff about attitude/work ethic with a grain of salt. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just not sure it is either.

Posted by: MJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 02:07 PM

James, you took the words right out of my mouth. When Brazoban started blowing away those weak NL lineups, Yankee fans went nuts (since he was a throw-in with Weaver in the Kevin Brown deal). But what happened? The league caught up to him and he was soon stinking it up.

Is Ramirez doing well this year? Yes. Does he have closer written all over him based on less than forty innings in the bigs? No. (Apparently his ERA is slightly misleading because he's let in a lot of inherited baserunners). He could just as easily end up being another Brazoban. Actually, Edwardo Sierra was the guy everyone didn't want to see go in the Chacon deal. Both Sierra and Ramierz had regressed for the Yankees and it wasn't a risky trade. Even if Ramirez keeps this up -- which is doubtful -- it was still a good trade. Because he wouldn't have helped us win the division last year AND win a playoff game, which Chacon did.

Posted by: baileywalk [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 03:40 PM

You think that the Tigers now think that Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz was a good deal?

Posted by: Steve Lombardi [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 03:51 PM

Steve Philips keeps harping that the Tigers should trade Zumaya for Smoltz. Probably why he's on BBTN, and not in a front office somewhere.

Posted by: rbj [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 04:03 PM

Poor Doyle Alexander. Guy never hears the end of it.

Are you suggesting that Ramirez is as good as Smoltz and that Ramirez will have the same impact on the Rockies that Smoltz had on the Braves? By the way, that was a rhetorical question, because you did just that, and it's totally absurd.

Let this kid pitch an entire season before you get nervous about his prowess as a pitcher.

Scott Proctor looked like a closer earlier this season. How'd that work out? Tanyon Strutze had a brilliant month in the bigs. It's been shown again and again that a short sample size cannot be used with relievers. If he's still good in a year or two -- fine -- the Yankees traded a good pitcher. But guess what? There's no rule that you can only trade crappy players when you make a deal.

If San Fran fans want to cry into their pillows about giving up Liriano and Nathan for an average catcher who left the team anyway, they should go right ahead. I would. But Ramon Ramirez, who's proved nothing yet? I'll save my tears.

Posted by: baileywalk [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 05:09 PM

The name "Chacon" is now synonymous with getting great production out of a player who was previously unknown/unproductive. People writers, pundits and the like say, "they need to do a Chacon-type trade". I don't see how you can rip Cashman for that trade.

Posted by: Coltre Hughes [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 05:32 PM

Here's a question - right now, who would you rather have on the Yankees, Ramon Ramirez or Shawn Chacon?

And, I respect what Chacon did last year. I'm happy that he was on the Yankees. But, I wish the Yankees gave up someone else to get him. That's my point.

Posted by: Steve Lombardi [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 05:40 PM

Yeah, Steve, I wish the Yankees never traded anyone of value either, but the real question is: who would rather have had on the Yankees' roster LAST year: Chacon or Ramirez?

Posted by: baileywalk [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 06:09 PM

Wilson is starting on Sunday. Chacon in the bullpen. Smith was sent down.

Posted by: Jen [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 06:44 PM

Without Chacon, we do not make the playoffs last year. It's as simple as that. Ripping Cashman b/c Ramon Ramirez is now showing some potential is beyond absurd and indicative of the prospect hysteria now gripping Yankeeland. Trading marginal prospects for players who can help immediately is not a bad thing - and Chacon was such a player.

On another note: Why send Smith down? Of all the AAA guys he's been the most effective.

Posted by: Josh [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 6, 2006 08:44 PM