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February 14, 2006

Who's Driving?

From the Star Ledger:

"Contract-wise, it looks like we'll carry 12 pitchers," manager Joe Torre said last week. "It looks like our club is cut-and-dried on who's going to be members of our team. But we have a lot of pitchers that could be in the same role. And that's what we'll try to organize in the spring."

The projected pitching staff has the six starters plus relievers Mariano Rivera, Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Myers, Ron Villone, Tanyon Sturtze and Aaron Small. Then there are the eight position players, Bernie Williams, Andy Phillips, Kelly Stinnett, Miguel Cairo and Bubba Crosby.

All that's left are the details. Torre last month told hitting coach Don Mattingly, "Give me a lineup."

Said Mattingly, "I can't."

Responded Torre: "That's the way I am, too."

OK, so, it will be contracts that dictate who makes the pitching staff - and not talent/performance. And, the manager has no clue as to what his line-up should be......

I think I need to start hitting some of that green tea.

Posted by Steve Lombardi at February 14, 2006 10:50 AM


It's fairly obvious most of the lineup is set. I'd say the rotation is pretty much set as well as the bullpen.

This isn't the first time the Yanks have had more players than spots, and it won't be the last.

Posted by: Raf [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 11:47 AM

I presume he's just trying to make everybody think they have a chance based on their performance rather than their salary, because there's really not much to the choices no matter how he makes the decision.

In less nauseating news : http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2006/02/14/News/334105.html

Posted by: hopbitters [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 12:10 PM

LOL SL....8 cups per day....

Posted by: Jason O. [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 01:18 PM

I just hope that Giambi doesn't get pushed by in favor of Sheffield or Matsui. What a waste of an amazing OBP that was last year.

Posted by: DownFromNJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 03:11 PM

And how is this Cashman's fault? Many have written here and in other blogs that Cashman's off-season moves have been less than spectacular, particularly the lack of depth and flexibility of the bench and the hodge-podge nature of the bullpen. I think the real obstacle is the type of thinking Mr. Green Tea just exposed in the article referenced. Name the last player who won a roster spot with a great Spring during the Torre era. Note that it was Cashman who forced Cano into the line-up after a great Spring when the Yankees hit bottom in May. Torre was laconically quoted as saying, oh yeah, he'd noticed Cano's good March in Tampa. Only problem is, Torre was selling Cano as a good field, no hit guy brought in to stabilize a leaky infield (Womack couldn't turn the pivot to save his life). And we know that Arizona, along with most prospect observers, thought the most salient quality Cano possessed was his offensive skills, not his (as we plainly see now)glove. More testimony to the fact that Torre thinks Spring Training's just a long golf vacation.

Posted by: JohnnyC [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 05:08 PM

Is Tampa Torre's Hawaiian Decompression Chamber?

Posted by: Steve Lombardi [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 05:23 PM

JohnnyC, I'm a bit confused. Don't you typically argue that the bad moves are incorrectly attributed to the Tampa Mafia and that Cashman's typically the perpetrator of our recent roster and personnel sins? If you're making the argument that Cashman deserves no blame...well, I don't see how that's possible. He might not have been responsible for ALL of the bad moves but he was certainly responsible for SOME of them.

Also, the Torre-bashing is a bit extreme, no? Sabermetrics and all the other new-age stuff doesn't change the fact that Torre has a certain skill set that is extremely useful and that he DOES deserve a measure of credit for the success of the Yankee teams from 1996-2005.

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Posted by: MJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 14, 2006 11:20 PM